What will replace Human Workflow Service in the future?

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    • January 11, 2006 at 9:57 AM #14291
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        I’ve seen in the Biztalk 2006 Beta 2 documentation:

        Human Workflow Services (HWS)
        HWS is fully supported with no feature enhancements in BizTalk Server 2006 but is planned for removal in future versions.

        So what will be replaced for HWS and will it be removed in the release version of Biztalk 2006??
        Anyone knows some new similar feature in Indigo?

        Cheers

      • January 12, 2006 at 8:36 AM #14292
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          hi Stephen,
          I’m trying to build a simple HW based on the BizTalk, but the HWS seems to be far complicated and does not make much sense in many ways.

          With the WWF, seem that i need to do my own API programming to create a HW at this time? Are they any connections to the BizTalk 2006?

          What is the simplest way to develop a HW at this time?

          Thanks

          • January 12, 2006 at 3:02 PM #14293
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              hi again.
              After i read this link about WWF http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnlong/html/WWFIntro.asp

              If I understand correctly, it seems that:
              – BizTalk 2006 does not seem to support WWF hosting (not at this point, maybe it will come a service pack or so later?)
              – HWS in BizTalk 2006 is similar to 2004 version with no new features, and it sounds to me that no one recommend to use it. I spent a day to try out and it’s really complicated to understand.

              So I still have no answer of how can I integrate the current BizTalk orchestration into WWF, that seems to have a lot of work to be done here?

              The WWF is not released yet, and the current beta 1 version does not compatible with VS2005 RTM version, as I tried (what’s going on with MS…)

              Any recommendation? In which direction should I create a HW that can integrate with BizTalk 2006….?

              • January 17, 2006 at 9:31 AM #14294
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                  hi acarr260, i’m also in the beta 2 program of Biztalk 2006, as far as i know HWS is more or less the same as in BTS 2004, as it states that this feature will be removed in the next release of BTS.

                  Can it be that your friend mean the Windows Workflow Foundation that will replace HWS in the future?

                  About the K2 product, I’ve been tolded from some colleagues as well the same story about HW, so hope it will come a new version for BTS 2006 with some good new features.

                  • February 7, 2006 at 2:59 PM #14295
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                      Hello,
                      We were looking for a solutions for HW as well, and we choosed Captaris Workflow to implement workflows.
                      You may check if it is suitable for you.

                      Regards,
                      Zoltan Fedor

                      • January 11, 2006 at 9:55 PM #14296
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                          I think the plan is to replace HWS with Windows Workflow Foundation. This is a standalone items right now, but will be build into and replace the Orchestration in BizTalk in later releases.

                          Right now, BizTalk just doesn’t do HW very well anyway.

                          If that is something you are working on right now, you might want to look at Windows Workflow Foundation Beta.

                          • January 12, 2006 at 5:01 PM #14297
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                              I have been a little out of the loop on WWF. I think they have a Beta 2 out there. You might have to be in the beta program to get it. You should find information on signing up at http://www.windowsworkflow.net. I guess the site says Beta 1.2 runs on 2005 RTM.

                              I would not recommend using BizTalk HW either. I have never looked it, but never heard anything really good about it.

                              I think they will have adaptors available for working with WWF in BizTalk 2006. But it might be some time before they are available. I would guess we’d see something on gotdotnet at some point.

                              Have you looked at K2? I have heard great things about it and it plays well with BizTalk from what I understand.

                              • January 16, 2006 at 8:19 PM #14298
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                                  My company uses K2 for our human workflow interfaces. We have had to write our own workflow engine to get the functionality we were promised to work. Short story, I would avoid an investment in K2 until their product is more mature (if I remember correctly, multiple routing paths and some other \”normal\” workflow requirements don’t work as promised). A friend of mine that does BizTalk consulting has told me that the human workflow in BTS 2006 is wonderful, but I have yet to try it out. I am in the beta program and one of the TAP programs, so I haven’t had much time to play around with the workflow stuff yet. I’m looking forward to the next iteration though.

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